Roy Ehrhardt

Information from Wholesale, Retail, and Manufacturer’s Catalogs

The name “Roy Ehrhardt” has become a synonym for detailed, reliable bedrock historical information about pocket watches worldwide. His ingenious Ehrhardt American (EA) Numbered Drawings have served to clarify the identity of American-made pocket watch movements for generations of horologists. Mr. Ehrhardt’s collection of numbered drawings serve horologists as nautical charts serve oceanographers, or as John James Audubon’s drawings serve ornithologists. Each field of study would be archaic, inaccurate, and hopelessly chaotic without these tools.

In Roy Ehrhardt’s Identification and Price Guide to American Pocket Watches the EA Numbered Drawings are referenced in alphabetical listings containing detailed descriptions of every American-made pocket watch in its various models and grades that Roy Ehrhardt has cataloged. The descriptions are coded to allow concise, consistent presentations of accurate information across all American manufacturers regardless of the various manufacturers’ hyperbole or jargon.

Above, you will find the Ehrhardt American (EA) Numbered Drawings for each of the twenty-four Seth Thomas pocket watch models that he identified. The Ehrhard American (EA) Numbered Drawings record the shape and penetration points of the movements’ top plates.  The movements are described in great detail for us by Roy Ehrhardt in his “Identification and Price Guide to American Pocket Watches”.  He devised this system using numbered diagrams, drawings of every American made pocket watch manufactured before 1999. This system covers every pocket watch produced by any manufacturer in the United States. The specific EA numbers for Seth Thomas movements range from EA 805 - EA 823. The only difference in nomenclature that you will see between what is used in Roy Ehrhardt’s EA Numbered Drawing system and what is used by the Seth Thomas Fan Space is in naming the 24th model, which was never named by the Seth Thomas Watch Company, “Pendant Model 24” instead of “Model 26”. I believe that Mr. Ehrhardt used the “Model 26” nomenclature because the Seth Thomas Watch Company alternately advertised their 6-size Centennial model as a 6-size movement, a 4-sized movement, and a compact 12-size movement, which would have required a 6-size Model 24, and 12-size Model 25, and a 4-size Model 26.  In fact, the 12-size Model 25 was really a 12X6-size Model 24, and the 4-size Model 26 was really a 6-size Model 24 with a special snug dial, snug hands, and a snug case.

Another component of Roy Ehrhardt’s Identification and Price Guide to American Pocket Watches that is most correctly associated with the use of EA diagrams to identify the manufacturer of an unknown pocket watch is the “Alphabetical Listings”.  If an unknown pocket watch has a trade name or private label signature on the dial or on the movement; the actual manufacturer can be easily identified using the Alphabetical Listings. Once a name is found in the Alphabetical Listings there is coded information provided that describes the movement’s features in detail. A good example to consider would be the name Lakeside. There are six Lakeside listings to examine and disambiguate for a proper identification. See the listing below:

In the first listing: Lakeside (Chas. Wendel, Chicago) (Ca 1882)

(18S-11J-HN2L-U-”31”) (EA 332)... $35-55

Lakeside is marked on the movement - The movement was produced for Chas. Wendel of Chicago circa 1882

The 18S indicates that the movement is 18-size and the 11J indicates that it has 11 jewels. The H indicates that it is hunting orientation. The N indicates that it has a nickel finish. The 2 indicates that it is a Model 2. The L indicates that it was lever set. The U indicates that it is unadjusted. The “31” indicates that the grade is 31. EA 332 refers to the Numbered Drawing 332. By looking at that numbered drawing you can see that the movement was manufactured by Hampden Watch Company. $35-55 indicates that the 1999 value range of the movement in pristine condition is 35 U.S. dollars to 55 U.S. dollars.

The highlighted listing: Lakeside-Chicago, Ill.-15 Jewels-(Montgomery Ward) (Ca 1905)

                                                                           (18S-15J-OJ8L-U-”36”) (EA 811) (77-92)..$60-80

Lakeside - Chicago, Ill is marked on the 15-jewel movement - The movement was produced for Montgomery Ward circa 1905

The 18S indicates that the movement is 18-size and the 17J indicates that it has 17 jewels. The O indicates that it is open-face orientation. The N indicates that it has a nickel finish. The 8 indicates that it is a Model 8. The L indicates that it was lever set. The U indicates that it is unadjusted. The “36” indicates that the grade is 36. EA 811 refers to the Numbered Drawing 811. By looking at that numbered drawing you can see that the movement was manufactured by Seth Thomas Watch Company. $60-80 indicates that the 1999 value range of the movement in pristine condition is 60 U.S. dollars to 80 U.S. dollars.

If there are no markings on the movement or the dial; it is still a relatively easy process to browse through the EA Numbered Drawings.  I usually start the initial process by partially defining the movement in terms of 1. orientation, hunting or open-face; 2. type of top plate, full, 3/4, bridge; and 3. any external wheels or other features on top of the plate. Orientation is as indicated by the position of the balance bridge.  If it points counterclockwise; it is open-face.  If it points clockwise; it is hunting. Having a few initial reference points greatly enhances your ability to scan through the Numbered Drawings quickly.

Ehrhardt American (EA) Numbered Drawings

for

Seth Thomas Pocket Watches.

EA 805

EA 806 & EA 806A

EA 807

EA 809

EA 810

EA 811

EA 812

EA 811A

EA 812A

EA 813

EA 814

EA 813C

18-size Seth Thomas Model 12

EA 814A

EA 818

EA 819

EA 820

EA 821

EA 821

EA 823

EA 815

EA 816

EA 817

EA 822